Education, Ordination, and Elmer's Glue.

One of the few things I believe Facebook gets right is their reminder of “memories” to its users. By memories, I mean photos which show up on an individual time line pointing them back to an event which took place on that same date a year, or even several, years ago. A few weeks back I received the notification of one of these memories; my ordination.

Being in Divinity school, there‘s a lot of talk between students concerning ordination. Wake Forest School of Divinity is a very ecumenical institution where Unitarian Universalist, Methodist, Lutherans, Catholics, Disciples of Christ, and several different flavors of Baptist walk the halls together. All these traditions support different requirements for ordination; some demanding so much education before being considered while others require psychological evaluations.

Speaking for Baptist, the local church determines those prerequisites.

The last few weeks I’ve been spurred to think about my ordination and the process I experienced at my first and former church. The process started in the summer of 2015 and by September a date was agreed up. I was given a series of question to answers before having to sit in front of a committee made up of men and women of the congregation. I admit I was nervous, but once inside the room I distinguished that this was not an inquisition of my beliefs. Instead sitting before those people who I had grown to love and them me, I felt nothing but a spirit of affirmation being given to me. After an hour they voted to ordain me. They planned a service for me in November, another gift, and I invited a few people to speak who had been with me on my journey. I kneeled in the front of the church before all present and people came forward and laid hands upon me…praying, blessing, and pouring what they had of the divine into my being.

This memory rushed back to me as I sat with two other young pastors from different denominations who are going through a rigorous ordination process. During our conversation, one of them posed the question, “Don’t you think you should have to have a certain level of education before that happens?”

This got me to thinking.

While I do agree that theological education is needed, higher education is transactional by nature. I submit a paper and my professor is required to give me a grade. I do this so that they might do that. It’s a give and take sort of relationship that carries a certain form of expectation from both parties.

The way I view my ordination is different than how I view my theological education. My ordination was given; it was a gift. I did nothing to earn it. The church which ordained me verified the hope they saw in me. Arguably, there was nothing I could give them in return of equal value except my service driven by my love and appreciation for them.

Will D. Campbell was ordained in the same Baptist tradition as I. Years later he took his ordination certificate signed by his pastor, his father, and another family member and glued it on top of his divinity degree from Yale University. For Brother Will, the recognition by those individuals at East Fork Baptist Church in Mississippi meant more to him than his Ivey League degree.

 I enjoyed my time at Campbell University and am doing the same at Wake Divinity, but to the people of Lillington Baptist Church in Harnett County NC…I am forever grateful.

And maybe, after it’s all said and done, perhaps I’ll break out the Elmer’s as well to remind myself that it’s not my accomplishments which got me to where I am today. It’s the people who loved me and charged me to “keep telling the Jesus story.”

A Few New Things...

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A few quick announcements, none bigger than yesterdays obviously, as we move into the 2018.

I’ve made a few small changes to my CONNECT page. I’m expecting 2018 to be a wonderfully hectic year (again see yesterday’s post) and wanted to make connecting with me a bit easier. On the CONNECT page you’ll notice the ability to schedule what I would call “hang out” times with me. I’m using a service called Calendly to make this happen. So if you want to grab a bite to eat, get coffee, or maybe even sip on something a bit stronger...this is a good resource to reach out and get in touch with me. Of course email and text work too, but this syncs with my Google calendar. Yeah, pretty sweet I know.

I’ve also added my Twitter feed to the bottom of the CONNECT page. Come check out my short profound “wittery” by following me @CoxReverendred on Twitter.

And lastly, moving into 2018 I want to make it a point to host more “black sheep” voices. I’m by no means an exhaustive voice for displaced Baptist, and I am wanting to offer others the chance to add their thoughts and beliefs to the black sheep narrative. Look for guest contributors from other denominational and faith traditions early in the new year.

As you were,

tBSB

Bone of My Bone, Flesh of My Flesh.

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Being Baptist I know mentioning certain words such as inerrant or authoritative can cause church folks ears to perk up, especially surrounding the creation stories found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. Now, I’m not here to debate the fallibility of scripture. That fight was fought in Baptist churches, seminaries, and backyards a generation ago leaving both sides to rub sore scars to this day. I believe no matter which side of the divide you come down on, ole’ Adam was on to something when he mumbled the words, “bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh.” For Adam, a shift had taken place in the way he understood his own life. I imagine Adam beginning to comprehend several notions in the moment Eve stood before him. One, how small the world could seem as he stood in her awe inspiring presence, and two, all of this (creation) isn’t just about me anymore (as if it ever were).

I felt like I was in Adam’s sandals (Adam probably went barefoot, but bare with me) this past summer when my wife Lauren came to me and uttered those two words representing love, hope, and certainly fear;

“I’m pregnant.”

Bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh.

Lots of things go through one’s mind when they hear those words. The first usually being “thank you God” followed by “oh my God, I hope we can afford this baby” and one for me personally, “God, please let me survive divinity school and a newborn!”

Our emotions went through the gamut in the following weeks. We waited awhile before we told our parents. We waited even longer before we told close friends and other family members. So much can happen in those first few months and we wanted to wait until we knew the kid’s gender before we let the news become common knowledge. On the 19th week, Lauren and I went into the doctor’s office, and while watching this human like shape move around on a computer screen that had a heartbeat attached to it, the nurse informed us we were having a little girl.

Bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh.

Since hearing those words, my eyes and ears have become open in new ways. I look at the news and read about injustice towards women in our world. Lately, I’ve seen new sexual harassment charges being brought upon male celebrities almost every other day for the past two months. Statistics, which I knew about, began to get personal; such as the gender pay gap. While I had always been for the equality of women, knowing my child could be discriminated against because of her gender was the breaking point. I would need to become an active participant in ways I hadn’t before to help ensure her future choices and freedoms.

Where to start in this endeavor? Well, that was actually pretty easy.

I’m starting with the church.

Recently I was having a discussion with someone about allowing a blessing to be administered to our baby. I still hold relatively strong convictions toward a believer’s baptism, but my wife and I love the idea of having a very ecumenical blessing when the time comes. Leaders representing all different denominations and faiths will charge and offer encouragement to us that we, and our daughter, are not alone in this journey. During the discussion, the person mentioned their own tradition and how only men could perform this task. Immediately I saw the issue and said I wouldn’t feel comfortable allowing that tradition to bless our child. The idea of exposing our daughter to a tradition where she is seen as a second class citizen has huge theological implications to me. If our daughter couldn’t perform the same function as her male counterparts in the same situation what would we be teaching her?

Since becoming involved in the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship I have met women who represent the best of us who call ourselves Baptist. These women are whom I attend school and share class space with. They offer a perspective which I do not possess and most certainly need to hear. They will be the examples I point to when our daughter looks to see what her place is in the Baptist church. Sure, I’ll tell her of Ann Hasseltine Judson and Alice Armstrong and of Molly Marshall and Karen E. Smith, but hopefully she’ll get to meet and hear for herself women like Amy Butler and Susan Sparks.

For the past 25 years, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship has made space for such women, and yet we as a denomination still have a long way to go. Baptist William Powell Tuck wrote concerning the significance of the priesthood of all believers. “Let us identify and acknowledge the gift of every Christian. Let us then recognize and affirm those gifts to service for Christ to glorify and build up the body of Christ, the church.”

In the near future, my wife and I will stand and be charged with raising our daughter in our Christian faith. However, I would like to charge the church with a similar task.

That we as Cooperative Baptist we’ll do more for raising women into positions of leadership within our churches. 6.5% is not enough.

That we as Cooperative Baptist will work to cultivate true sanctuaries; where women’s voices can be heard without having to shout.

That we as Cooperative Baptist will not only do this inside the church walls, but outside where standing in support and solidarity with women is just as needed.

In The Challenge of Being Baptist church historian Bill Leonard writes, “If Baptist identity is to be carried beyond midcentury it must be reasserted, reinterpreted, and reformed – and none too soon.” As Baptist we are called to do this sort of work not only for our own children, but for the generations to come. Consider this your official invitation; to help co-create a world where my daughter could stand in your pulpit one day.

HAULING MY CHAIR UP THE MOUNTAIN: The Common Hope Retreat at Wild Acres Retreat Center

This blog first appeared in CBFNC "blogs from across the state." It can be read in its original format by clicking HERE.

This blog first appeared in CBFNC "blogs from across the state." It can be read in its original format by clicking HERE.

While traversing the twisting roads of Little Switzerland, NC I thought back to a conversation I had with a third year Wake Forest School of Divinity student named Brian. Brian was on his way out of the program while I was on my way in. We were discussing class schedules, he on his last semester and I on my second. I asked his opinion about some class taught by Fred Bahnson. Brian quickly told me to take anything Fred taught. I could tell by the excitement in his voice that whatever Bahnson “was putting down” Brian was certainly “picking up.” The conversation had taken place last year, and yet it was fresh on my mind following me up the mountain as I and two other classmates arrived fashionable late to the Wild Acres Retreat Center.

My purpose there was marked by both curiosity and to fulfill a class requirement. That Fall I had decided to take Brain’s advice, although a year later than expected, and had signed up for Bahnson’s course Field, Table, Communion: The Work of the People. The past several weeks had left me reeling as we read and discussed works from Wes Jackson, Norman Wirzba, and Ellen Davis. I consider myself an advocate for reconciliation through my own Christocentric understanding of faith; reconciliation with God and from person to person, but reconciliation with creation? My theology hadn’t even begun to scratch the surface. As the weekend unfolded I became painfully aware of the gaping hole this had left in me and how this trip, and course in general, would force me to look through a new lens which I had up to this point neglected.

Because of our late arrival I missed the opening session of the retreat. However, many of my classmates and others attending the conference were still up mingling on porches and conversing in rocking chairs. Bonding outside the classroom would have to wait as I headed to the only area with guest accessible WIFI on the grounds, the rustically decorated and spacious lobby. As I completed and submitted an assignment for another class, I listened to an impromptu jam session by another group who were visiting Wild Acres that week. Guitars and mandolins were strummed from around the base of the large fireplace, their sounds lifting up and out of the chimney to slowly roll down the mountain into the darkness below. I listened long after I finished my assignment. Then, like the mountain melodies, I made my way out into the darkness, and back to my room to await the sunrise and the start of the first full day of the retreat.

After searching all over for coffee at 7am, I found it just in time to grab a cup before breakfast started. Community, I would find, would be present at every meal. While breakfast was served in more of a buffet type fashion, lunch and dinner took on a more “family style” setting. Populous round tables required asking those just a few seats away to “pass the potatoes” or request another helping of the comforting meatloaf. Food was a big proponent of why many of us were there, but community and interaction was just as much a part of the desired story we all wished to take part in. Over these meals I met people from all over the nation. We shared food and we shared stories of what brought us to this space at this time. I would share many exchanges over the course of three days, but the one which resonates most with me came from Nikki. Nikki was/is from Flagstaff, AZ and is from the Indigenous people of this land. Her roots with her people and the land run deep. She doled out her story to me during one meal, explaining her Seventh Generation understanding; to take care of the earth now as to benefit those who will inhabit the world seven generations after she’s gone. In short, the concept means to think of your children’s, children’s, children’s, etc… She told me of her river guiding venture which helped young people from her tribe and others find employment and establish a connection to the larger world. Her partner in this undertaking was from another tribe and she explained the difference in understanding they had from one tribe to another in their dealings with spiritual matters, creation accounts, and eschatology. I in turn told her how different Baptists could be, and we both laughed as a communal bridge was being built between us.

For two mornings I was able to worship with a mountain top view. You realize how fragile and inadequate words can be at times when describing nature. This was one of those moments. Wild Acres boasts a small outdoor amphitheater with stone steps that soak in the sun during the day and provide warmed seats during the cool nights. Sections of grass separate the stone column sets, which prompted me during worship to slide my Vans sneakers off and plant my feet in the dew covered grass. Worship was filled with liturgy from different faith traditions in an eclectic fashion, forming a mosaic of appreciation to the Creator. We were invited to stand, move around, or just sit. One morning music welcomed us to worship, being supplied by fellow and former Wake Divinity students Sarah and Abbey. “Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing” was played on fiddle, dulcimer, and guitar. I’ve never heard it better or more authentically holy. This amphitheater would also be the scene of a beautiful bonfire on one particular night. I observed people sitting around in groups, separate but altogether, which I still saw as a form of worship in itself. God’s children talking of the Spirit while sipping spirits. Quite the powerful moment.

And then there were the people who gave insight to what they were doing in their specific context as part of the food, faith, ecology movement. Rev. Heber Brown, III who dreamed into existence the Black Church Food Security Network. Heber has been casting the truthful vision to the African –American community that “church land is stable land” and it should be used to feed its people. Steve Blackmer, Executive Director of Kairos Earth and Church of the Woods, explained to those with ears to hear that he wasn’t sure what was happening with this movement, but he felt that it was the right “time” for something big. Rev. Sam Chamelin spoke about his ministry in Maryland, the Keep & Till which started after he heard someone say of the rural church being “dead, uninteresting, and diseased.” Sam set about to dispel that statement through the lens of agrarian discipleship, pushing back against the model of church where people are pumped out as products. These talks would help me see God’s creation as the “great Table”, with everyone being invited to bring their own chair and join the discussion.

During our last afternoon session we were asked to participate in a “visioning exercise.” The prompt involved what kind of community we wanted to help cultivate as part of this kairos moment. I’ll be honest I struggle with this sort of practice. Yet, I found myself reflecting and hashing out on paper a vision which I had not brought up the mountain with me. I saw myself eating tomato sandwiches with a neighbor. Now here’s the kicker, I’m not a big fan of tomato sandwiches [EDIT: I have since become one]. Why in the world would I have a vision of eating one? As I began unpacking my thoughts I realized I wasn’t eating the sandwich because I desired the tomato, but because I loved the person who grew it; my neighbor. Once I made the connection I ran with it.

I wanted to be part of a community that grew different things in backyard gardens which were shared on back porches.

I wanted to be part of a community where I had a standby coffee cup in my neighbors house and they had one in mine.

I wanted to be part of a community where locks on doors didn’t exist.

And, as a faith leader, I wanted to be part of a community that practiced church outside on decks and in yards. Beside old wells which hadn’t been used in years. I wanted church in between Black Eyed Susans and Hostas with no steeple in sight.

That’s what I vision. That’s what I long for.

The Life of Thomas: Why Doubting Leads Us Closer to the Divine.

"Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side." John 20:27

"Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side." John 20:27

I like asking questions.

I’m not sure if this is a personality trait, but for some reason to simply accept something “as is” has never sat well with me. When someone tells me of a new restaurant they’ve tried or perhaps a new movie they just watched I tend to raise an eyebrow of suspicion. Not because I don’t believe them, but I naturally want to experience what they have said or claimed for myself. I take this same approach with my faith and ministry.

Moving forward; let me be clear that I’m not looking for absolute truths in my faith nor do I need stifling apologetics for self security. What I do look for is the ability to question. When working with students I have taken the approach of asking questions instead of giving answers. I tend to teach from a platform built around discussion rather than lecture. During our time together I try and encourage students by asking their opinions.

Why do we believe this?

What do you think about this?

Have you ever thought of hearing the story this way?

Is this a black and white issue, or are there some gray areas?

Not only do I think this helps students build critical thinking skills, but I believe asking questions and doubting is described as a major part of spiritual growth in Scripture.

Enter the Apostle Thomas.

I think for years, millenniums even, that Thomas has received a bad rap. He has been assigned the moniker of Doubting Thomas when referenced. However, I believe Thomas and the word “doubt” are due redemption. Anglican Priest and poet Malcolm Guite offers us a different narrative when thinking about Thomas,

                     Courageous master of the awkward question,

You spoke the words the others dared not say

And cut through their evasion and abstraction.

Oh doubting Thomas, father of my faith,

You put your finger on the nub of things

We cannot love some disembodied wraith,

But flesh and blood must be our king of kings.

Guite here writes of the telling encounter between Christ and Thomas found in the 20th chapter of John’s Gospel.

A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’ Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe.’ Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’

 (John 20:26-28 NRSV)

So much is happening here in these few sentences. Christ in the proceeding verses had appeared to his disciples after his resurrection, but Thomas was not there. When told of the encounter Thomas, instead of taking his friends words at face value, dared to make the claim that in order for him to believe he’d need to see what they saw for himself. If I were discussing this with my students, I might point out the connection this would have in addressing Gnosticism. Thomas being able to physically touch Jesus makes the claim of Christ’s humanity, not simply a spiritual manifestation, to us now as well as to those in the early Church. I might also bring up the notion that Christ doesn’t cast Thomas away. He doesn’t say, “Well, because you didn’t believe your buddies you’re outta here!” Instead he meets Thomas in his doubt and answers his question, “Touch the wounds and see the truth for yourself!” For those like me who are natural questioners, I see this passage offering reassurance. For doubt was needed before belief. 

Dealing with students who are in the process of learning to take on a faith tradition being passed onto them is the important aspect of making it in some way their own.  How do they do that? By being offered a space in which they are able to doubt and question. For those of us who work with students, either as leaders or volunteers, the example of Jesus is what we should aim for here. Instead of telling students they need to believe before they can ask questions, we should invite them to ask questions to help them believe.

When we preach, share, or teach using incontestable statements we cultivate an understanding of faith which is rigid at best. However when we teach using the redeemable qualities of doubt we demonstrate to students a faith that should not remain still and stagnant, but instead should be viewed as something that is growing and forever changing for the better. 

 

Why I Remain Silent.

I’ve been told by a few different people I possess what some might refer to as the “gift of gab.” Most would define this attribute as being able to speak on subjects with eloquence and fluency. While I believe I’m able to hold a conversation with almost anyone on a range of ideas, I just chalked it up as being able to “talk to folks” or “carrying on” with people. Yet, when I made my way into one of my first classes at Campbell University in 2012 I discovered my ability to “gab” about theology.

Theo comes from the Greek root word meaning “god”, logy or logos from the Greek as well meaning “word.” The definition of theology looks something like this,

Faith seeking understanding

The attempt in seekingknowledge of God.

To struggle with God. (Perhaps my favorite)

Theology, and the language surrounding God, became a subject I could converse on for hours. I tell folks there are two things I never get tired of talking about; theology and Tarheel basketball. While at Campbell I took every course offered on the subject. Ancient /medieval, modern, and contemporary. If theology was in the title I signed up for the class. During my last year I was surprisingly recognized for my contribution/work in the classroom (I use the word contribution lightly) and received an award in the form of a misspelled plaque (I wouldn’t let the school fix it; it hangs in my church office as reminder on how not to spell “studies” as STUDTIES).

I left Campbell and headed to Wake Forest School of Divinity where I prepared to add my budding voice to all theological discussions. Because of core classes and scheduling, I was unable to take a theology course my first year. Instead I found a love for church history. I spent the year studying post-Reformation Christianity as well as Baptist history (where I learned about some Baptist theologians who have enriched my life ever since). However this current Fall semester I was excited to take not only one, but two theology courses. As the start of the school year crept closer, I felt I was getting back on the subject where I excelled. I imagined picking up where I left off as the person who always had something, I felt, insightful to add to the discussion.

A month into the semester and I'm surprised as anyone at how much I don’t talk in either class.

Which brings me to the concept of silence.

Remaining silent on any issue, whether it be a stance on gun control in the United States, immigration or BLM, is always cast in a negative light. This is something which isn’t new. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in his Letter From Birmingham Jail condemned the act of silence from white moderate clergy on the issue of segregation and the damage which it caused. King would mention the absurdity of passivity,

“I received a letter this morning from a white brother in Texas which said, ‘All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but is it possible that you are in too great of a religious hurry? It has taken Christianity almost 2000 years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth.’”

King wrote of his disappointment of this statement from his jail cell. He believed the issue of civil rights for African-Americans was not an issue for white clergy to remain silent on. However, as I read this nodding my head in agreement I wondered if there ever was a time to suppress one’s voice?

Reflecting back to my theology classes this semester; I believe there is.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent I have the ability to actual hear what others are saying.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent others have the chance to speak.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent I can appreciate another’s point of view.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent I learn stuff which I didn’t know before.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent not all opinions are like mine.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent that the narrative of theology doesn’t belong exclusively to me.

I’ve discovered when I’m silent while others speak, they might bestow upon me the same courtesy when the roles are reversed.

I dare say I, and maybe even “we” as a people, would do well to practice silence outside the classroom from time to time.

I’m not saying to remain silent on issues that matter, i.e. King and his plea to moderate white clergy. This was something that needed to be done. No, this is a different type of plea for a different context. A plea asking for a cooling of tongues in hopes an authentic conversation can take place. I desire to tell you my story, but I also long to hear yours. The stories and thoughts being shared in my theology classes are my stories in the sense of “all are part of God’s narrative” kind of way, but I’m learning I don’t always have to be the one telling them. Plus, how can I tell a women’s perspective, or a black male perspective, or someone from the LGBTQ community’s perspective, or someone who suffers from either a physical or mental disabilities perspective?

 I simply don’t possess that voice, and that’s why I must remain silent.

Response to Nashville Statement

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Let’s just keep this short and sweet.

In 1934, Confessing Church mover and shaker Karl Barth respond to fellow theologian Emil Brunner’s essay on Natural Theology. The response was entitled; Nein! Anwort an Emil Brunner.

Breakdown on this exchange: Brunner makes statement and Barth says “Uh, NO!”

This week the Nashville Statement was issued by The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.

My response…

Nein! Anwort an Nashville Aussage.
 
As You Were,
the Black Sheep Baptist

One Vision: A Church Manifesto

Why stop at 95? Lets make it 100.

Why stop at 95? Lets make it 100.

I was recently talking with a spouse of a fellow minister. We were discussing different ministries within our respective churches and talking about what the future of those ministries might be in the follow years. This conversation led to the overall future of the Church. During our discussion she made the comment, “You know I believe Michael (not husband’s real name…those have been changed to protect the innocent) will be part of the last generation of people to actually retire from what we know as full time ministry. I mean for those going to into it (congregational ministry) now…I just don’t think the same financial support will be there.” She stopped there and immediately said, “I don’t say that to discourage you, but it’s just gonna be different for you.”

She’s right.

Having been in congregational ministry now for the past several years, I am all too aware of the declining numbers in the big main line denominations. While churches are still being planted, most are closing their doors. The faithful Baby Boomers are being replaced at a rapid rate by the “Nones” (those that hold no religious affiliation).

So in the words of the prophet MLK, “Where do we go from here?”

The following is my addition to Luther’s 95 Thesis. I figure it’s been 500 years and the institutional church could use a few more…

1)    The new generation of preachers, theologians, leaders, Christ followers are going to have to let what we know of church die. The saying that “we don’t go to church because we are the church” should be more than just an empty statement. It should be the new mantra. Maybe the problem the modern church has is its people have been going to it for too long. Asking them to be it is going take a different approach.

2)    Co-Pastor Churches. I was dreaming with some fellow “30 something” year old pastors not long ago about church leadership positions. All present were in some form of associate role, and while we did have one person say they had a desire to be a head pastor, the group was in agreement and spoke with excitement on the idea of co-pastorships. The idea of sharing equal responsibility with one or more church leader. And yes, before you think “well, isn’t that what the church does now?” Yes and no. While pastoral duties are broken up in modern churches, the intentionality behind co-pastorships is not a practiced norm. There are some churches where this is taking place, but these are outliers and are small in number. Sharing equal responsibility allows pastors the ability to be involved and support different causes/movements. However, if the future of the church is to embrace co-pastorships than future clergy will need to…

3)    Embracing Bi-Vocationalism. Ministry is a burnout waiting to happen. Just speaking from my own perspective, the average career of those in youth ministry is around 18 months. That’s not even two years.  Most pastors don’t know what a 40 hour work week looks like. The old joke of the pastor only working on Sunday is still around, but the reality of 60+ hour work weeks and limited boundaries are what pastors and their families often experience. With or without co-pastorship positions, the ability for small churches to afford a full time staff member is dwindling. Being able to work in something besides congregational ministry will soon be a necessity for many future church leaders. I myself have worked two sometimes three jobs in order to do ministry since I began working in the church. For those called to congregational ministry I believe the drive is there to make this work, but this is a two way street.

4)    Denominations and/or Independent Churches will have to look for different ways to support. Whether Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, United Church of Christ, Universalist Unitarian…churches want degrees and those degrees are not cheap. In 2014-2015 the average cost of seminary training from an ATS (Association of Theological Schools) was around $14,700 per year (the cost as you might expect has gone up). That’s roughly $45,000 for a three year program. The average pay for a pastor in 2012 was $28,000 (of course denominational affiliation, experience, and location play a factor). If I personally did not receive scholarships and financial aid, my school debt would be closer to $60,000 at the end of three years. Being expected to obtain a high level of education while being promised a salary close to the Federal Poverty Level is daunting. While I would love to see seminary charging less in tuition, my attention and call will be for denominations and churches to look for alternative incentives to employ clergy. Perhaps a part time position is the only option for a church, so why not produce financial support in other ways, i.e. insurance and retirement options instead of bottom dollar salaries? Again using myself as an example, I would happily look into pastoring a church where I was required to be there on average 25 hours a week and receive pay that reflected that sort of time commitment while receiving medical insurance for me and my family. Denominational resources could be used and partnered with resources of local churches to pull this off. Ah, but you ask…”if you’re only going to be there 25hrs a week and we are paying for your insurance, what are you going to be doing when you’re not working for the church?”

5)    Community Pastor: I mentioned bi-vocationalism earlier and being a community pastor ties in with that concept. Even when I’m “off” I’m never truly off. I find myself at least once a day sharing with someone what I do and where I serve. Often I do this while working at another job. People have known me as the “pastor who works at the t-shirt company attending all the local festivals” or “the pastor who works at the local bottle shop.” I’m out and about working, engaging people in my community, and intentionally sharing with them my faith and passions (sometimes that happens in the first conversations, sometimes it happens in the 20th one).

For years the institutional church has asked younger clergy to trust it, now we are asking the same. Pour into us the way we have poured into you.

This is but one person’s observation and opinion. In order to see action happen future clergy, churches, and dominations are going to have to have a “come to Jesus meeting” with one another. As a pastor, these are my thoughts…

What are yours?

Concerning Charlottesville: Why Reconciliation Is Needed.

I’m what you call a “processor.”

While although I can deliver wit and off the cuff comments, I often do better when I have time to sit in thought about something

I’ve been processing the events in Charlottesville, VA for the past week.

Having an outlet such as a blog forces me to ask myself this question every time I begin rapping my fingers across the keyboard: “What am I adding to this topic /conversation?”

In the context of Charlottesville, what can I say that hasn’t already been said?

Many others have said what I feel. Zack Hunt, John Pavlovitz, Diana Butler Bass, the dean and faculty at Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and even late night talk show host and comedian Jimmy Fallon.

And while I may not agree with everything those mentioned above have said, I agree with their assessment. The Alt-Right, Neo-Nazi’s, KKK members, and all other white supremacy groups that showed up in Charlottesville this past weekend are disgusting and wrong. They are manifestations of hate that I, as a faith leader within a community, cannot not sit quietly and not address. If there is a divisible line, this is worth being divisible over.

As for Antifa and other counter protesters in Charlottesville that weekend, I believe they raised their voices against hate in a moment in which it was desperately needed. I know many might disagree in this statement. I have seen comments all over social media saying counter-protesters were just as much a problem as the white supremacist groups. To that I would say; we can debate the tactics used by counter-protesters if you’d like, but we cannot debate whether or not action should have been taken in confronting a group of fascist, bigoted, racists.

Late last night while my wife slept soundly in the next room, I watched the VICE News piece on Charlottesville. What I saw went far beyond the racism I have heard and experienced growing up in the South. That’s not to say it wasn’t always there, but this was a more radical dormant rendition that I had never been exposed to personally. Let me be clear, the individuals in this video are not misunderstood. They are not themselves part of an oppressive system which targets poor whites into thinking that the only thing they have left to hang their prideful hats on is to know they are better than then the black folk who live on the other side of town. No, what I watched wasn’t that. The spokesmen and leaders of this white supremacy movement were wicked and without remorse as seen in their language surrounding any other ethnic group besides their own. They are not looking to dialogue with those who oppose them. They are not looking to come across table and grieve differences.

They are looking to burn the table and all those sitting around it.

 They are looking to eradicate the other side because the other side is less than them.

This is why I can’t remain silent. Yet, what is it that I will say? To whom will I say it?

For this purpose I want to speak to my people directly; white folk who claim to follow Jesus.

Trying to speak for any other group is pretentious at best and arrogant at worst.

I’ve read article after article and watched video after video, and as white male I don’t believe I have the right to tell others how to feel. That’s what got us in this mess in the first place.

I can’t imagine what African-American men and women in the south feel when walking past Confederate statues honoring soldiers and generals who fought to keep the business of slavery alive.

I can’t imagine what African-American men and women feel when the Black Lives Matter movement is referred to by elected officials as a terrorist group.

I can’t imagine what those claiming Jewish heritage think when they see Nazi flags flying beside our nation’s stars and stripes.

I can’t imagine what any minority group in the United States feels when they see the privilege being doled out time and time again to people who don’t look like them.

And there are more examples. While perhaps not on the forefront of this incident particularly, they are being shouldered by other courageous groups daily.

But I’m not talking to or for them; I’m talking to white people right now.

I was glad to see “us” show up to confront the horrendous individuals who attempted to spread a message of superiority. “We” added our collective voice to the voices of others in condemning such asinine claims. I saw “us” locked arm in arm with other groups marching in solidarity.

I also saw good intended people be pushed into committing acts of violence themselves.

*Disclaimer: Let me be clear, I am not comparing the actions and motives of the counter protesters to the white supremacy crowd. One is clearly a reaction to the other.

What I want to say to my white brother and sisters is…we got to do better than that.

When I think of protesting it’s hard for me not to think of MLK. Dr. King and other Civil Rights leaders embodied a spirit of unwavering perseverance in the face of hatred. I’ve read the accounts dealing with the preparation Dr. King and others went through in order to ready themselves for marches and sit-ins. Dr. King was a believer in non-violence, and it showed in his actions. His belief and faith held his head up while keeping his fist down. From my understanding, Dr. King recognized there would be violence when he spoke out and marched but it would not be committed by him and his people.  This kind of display is the stuff Jesus was speaking of when he referenced the Kingdom of God. Dr. King’s ability to not give the other side what they in turn gave him is what made King not only influential for decades to come, but it made him right. You see there was a determination about what he did that surpassed the stubborn mindset of those fighting to keep segregation alive. Dr. King would say in his work Stride Toward Freedom, “It is still one of the tragedies of human history that the ‘children of darkness’ are frequently more determined and zealous than the ‘children of light’.”

So…

Dear white people,

If we are to show up and protest against hate in all its forms, we must have the desire to be more determined and zealous in our approach than those on the other side of the protesting line. What does that look like? We don’t show up to out fight, out scream, or out hate. We show up to demonstrate love and compassion in a way that when these opposing individuals go back to their homes they are not beaten physically but instead in spirit. We will need to stand firm in showing that peace and love are stronger and resonate more in the human condition than hate and divisiveness. What will be the outcome? I honestly don’t know. There will be pain and suffering. There will be losses and defeats. There will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.

And I tell you with glorious certainty it will be worth it.

For something could happen not only to those we oppose, but to ourselves in the process. A fellow radical Baptist preacher, Will D. Campbell, understood the importance of dealing with those who sought division in many different ways. Campbell was a Civil Right leader who both marched with MLK and would later be moved by his faith to act compassionately towards those he had marched against; the racists. Lawrence Wright in a Rolling Stone article had this to share about his time with Campbell.

“In 1969, on the night before Bob Jones, the Grand Dragon of the North Carolina KKK was shipped off to federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut, for contempt of Congress, Campbell was there in the Dragon's Den to celebrate communion with a bottle of bourbon. Later, Campbell talked with James Earl Ray, the man who had murdered Campbell's friend Martin Luther King. When people asked if he really expected to save the souls of such men, Campbell allowed that that would be presumptuous: "They might, however, save mine."

For those of us who profess faith, this is where the radical message of the Gospels gets played out in the here and now. We need to act out this message like those who have come before us.

I wish I could personally tell you that I’m there. That I am spiritual mature and disciplined enough to stay the course and remain loving in my protest against racism. However, I know I still have work to do in that area.

That’s why I know Campbell was on to something. We have to be in constant contemplation about how we show up and demonstrate. We must not ignore what is going on. Instead we must keep confronting not only those who stand against us but confront ourselves and the preconceived notions that we are already "right." Instead of succumbing to hate let’s allow the love we claim to posses have the profound impact we believe it can.

 

Saints in Elastic Boots

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I often hear myself say at least once a day, “I can’t believe this is happening to me.” This usual occurs during those crucial life altering moments at the drive through at Starbucks. The one I usual stop at on my way to church has a round-about style drive through, which means when I’m pulling in I can’t see what’s on the other side of the building. Most mornings I arrive and see no line and instantly feel excited knowing my transaction with the drive through barista is going to be short and sweet, but sometimes there’s a line and I have to wait (usual I just park and go in if this happens). And then there are the times, which seem so overly frequent to me, where I see just one car in the line and I think to myself, “This shouldn’t take long.”

And guess what? It always takes waaaaaay longer than I feel it should.

The Mercedes SUV in front of me this morning was occupied by a single driver, but they purchased a whole tray full of drinks. Three of which were frappuccino! Who needs a frappuccino that early in the morning? Thus I am forced to sit and wait for my grande ice coffee and silently grovel while thinking to myself, “I can’t believe this happening to me. Why do I always get behind these types of people?”

Now there is a plethora full of things wrong with me in this scenario that I could pick apart, but I feel the major root cause has to do with me feeling as if what I do should take precedent over the needs/wants of others. Like somehow I’m more important than the driver with the three frappuccino, which of course is an absolute absurdity. When I pause and actually think about how upset I am I realize what I’m experiencing is not in any way a form of suffering, but a simple (and I’m stretching it here) inconvenience. #firstworldproblems

So as some of you know, I just returned from camp with my students last week and during that time away from home I felt inconvenienced almost daily. I wasn’t with my wife, I had to sleep on a bunk bed, I had to share a bathroom with six other guys, etc…Being honest with myself these are all pretty petty things, but in the moment, these seemed a lot bigger. Particularly one incident while we were there…

Our group shared the top floor of a cabin with another group from a different church. We had a shared doorway that connected the two rooms which we came to find out didn’t have a lock. On our first night there a leader from the other group walked through the door and explained to me that there wasn’t quite enough space in their section and that he’d like to sleep in one of our extra beds. You can imagine my initial response.

Uh, no.

Now I’m all for communal living, but there are some issue that arise when dealing with students. First and foremost is their safety and being respectful of their parents who’ve trusted me with their child’s wellbeing for a whole week. Having someone not part of our group and having not gone through a background check from our church just screamed “problem” to me. The students and I offered to give him some of the extra mattresses we had, but couldn’t allow him to stay with us. He seemed somewhat offended and not satisfied with that answer, but relented none the less. I informed camp staff just to keep them in the loop as to what was going on and considered the matter closed.

It was not.

For the next two days this leader entered our room unannounced.  He used a small hallway on our side of the cabin to store extra backpacks/luggage without asking which   felt like an infringement on my and the students space. Justifiably so, tension begin to rise on our end when our complaints to staff seemed to fall on deaf ears. I remember one of my last conversations with a staff member where it seemed they felt just as powerless as I did in the situation. I informed them I had tried to be as respectful as I knew how, but this issue was coming to a head quickly. It was then I was pulled aside by a senior staff member and given some information about the leader who had been entering our room. Reflecting back now, I’m not sure if that personal type of information should have been shared with me. However, it did give me an insight as to why this individual was not picking up on social cues that most would. Some life altering tragic events had recently taken place in this leaders’ life. As I walked back to our cabin my mind began its typical cycle. “I can’t believe this is happening to me. Of all the people I could have been roomed beside I get the one person who doesn’t understand basic common courtesy!”

And then something else happened. Each step I took I found myself thinking about the stories I had been told concerning this socially awkward, yet seemingly harmless, church youth leader. This individual had been through a lot in the past few months. Life had been hard for this person in ways I can’t even begin to comprehend. Noticing this helped bring about the revelation that I lacked the ability to even fully empathize with this individual. However, what I did discover was that this person had much more of a right to say “I can’t believe this happened to me” than I did.

Taking all this in, I decided to sit and talk with the group of students who had been directly affected by this situation. We talked and it was one of the students who said, “You know, honestly we’ve kinda blown this out of proportion. This really isn’t that big of a deal, more of an inconvenience than anything else.” Words of wisdom for us all. As we sat there my mind raced back to a C.S. Lewis quote. In his work God in the Dock, Lewis tells a story which explained his need and connection to the local church. He begins the story by saying that he initially hated going. He loathed getting up early on Sunday mornings. Even after he became a regular attendee, he held a disdain toward church hymns describing them as “fifth rate poems set to sixth rate music”, but felt his attendance was necessary because he couldn’t receive the Sacrament of Communion alone. However over time he began to rethink his cynical views.  

“But as I went on I saw the great merit of it. I came up against people of quite different outlooks and different education, and then gradually my conceit just began peeling off. I realized that the hymns (which were just sixth rate music) were, nevertheless, being sung with devotion and benefit by an old saint in elastic-side boots in the opposite pew, and then you realize that you aren’t fit to clean those boots. It gets you out of your solitary conceit.”

I found this and read it to my students that night. We unpacked the significance it brought up in each of us, with the conversation continuing well into the night. Around midnight we heard a slight knock on our door. The leader poked his head through the door and asked if he could use our bathroom. We told him of course. One of my students whispered to me, “Can we invite him to sit and talk with us?” I gladly told the students I was fine with the idea, but it was up to them. The leader came out of the bathroom to a group of students wanting to introduce themselves to him and asking if he’d like to join us. The leader declined, but said he might take us up on the offer later. We continued to talk into the night, discussing the situation along with loads of other things that were on our hearts. Around 1:30am we finally settled down and I lay in my bunk complete floored by the events and conversation of the night. It will be something I will never forget and will cherish being part of. As I begin to doze off an all too familiar thought went through my head. Yet this time it was not in self centered frustration, instead it was a thankful prayer.

“I can’t believe this is happening to me…”

 

Baptist: Are We An Extinct People?

 

There's a grief that can't be spoken,
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables,
Now my friends are dead and gone.

Here they talked of revolution,
Here it was they lit the flame,
Here they sang about tomorrow and tomorrow never came.

From the table in the corner,
They could see a world reborn,
And they rose with voices ringing,
And I can hear them now
The very words that they have sung
Became their last communion
On this lonely barricade, at dawn.

Marius, Les Misérables

 

One of the necessary drawbacks to working in congregational ministry is being in the same place every Sunday. PLEASE DON’T READ THAT WRONG. I love my church in every possible way, but it does prevent me from visiting other churches. I use to do this more frequently several years ago. I intentionally visited other churches to build relationships with fellow pastors and to check out different Student Ministry programs to see what they were doing well (in the context of their people and the ministry God had set before them, of course).

Not being able to venture away from my church as much has left me to be a connoisseur, so to speak, of church websites. When I meet someone at a conference or hear about something cool a particular church is doing I do a quick Google search to check them out. Church websites are often similar in design with A LOT of churches having very outdated or ambiguous information (yeah I was talking to youour last updated pictures are from 3 Easter egg hunts ago” church). Some churches do a terrific job presenting crucial information on their website and other social media platforms. Examples include, but are not limited to; location, service times, the style of worship, if childcare is available, special events...This is basic info which gives those who are thinking about visiting a church a heads up on what to expect before they even walk through the doors.

However, church websites often include other material as well. Vision statements, beliefs, audio/video sermons, and staff profiles. It is here where often intentional or unintentional proclamations are made.

A church’s view of Scripture. Is it inerrant, inspired, or authoritative?

Does the church believe in women in ministry (a quick view of the staff directory might give you a clue)?

Diversity, be it generationally, ethically, economically?

Is the church progressive or conservative (in a biblical sense, NOT in a political one)?

Is the church inclusive or exclusive? LGBT affirming or not?

Some of what I mentioned can be discovered peripherally. Just like viewing staff photos might allude to whether or not they believe in female ministers, other tells might include educational schools of thought. Seminaries and divinity schools differ and produce pastors/theologians who do the same. In a Baptist context, a pastor who graduates from Southeastern Seminary has a different approach to ministry as say someone who graduates from Wake Forest School of Divinity. One might be able to see if a church is diverse by photos taken of actual parishioners (I’m looking at you “stock photo” church, cut that mess out).

Most often though churches produce a “Statement of Beliefs” or “What We Believe” page somewhere on their website. The point of this section is to inform visitors (and remind current members) just what exactly the church holds on to as far as doctrinal beliefs. Stances on the role of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are usual given. Other understandings on salvation, the role of the Church (people of God), and Christian education/discipleship are often presented as well.

Recently I read something that made me ask the question, “What if a church put something else on their belief page?” Something not as typical as what I just described.

This summer I’ve had the luxury of reading for pleasure again. I described in another blog about my discovery of the Baptist preacher Will D. Campbell and it was last summer, before I began at Wake Div(inty), that I ordered and began reading Campbell. I began with his autobiographical works, but Campbell also produced fictional writings which I ordered as well. They sat on my bookshelves until I could find the time to enjoy them properly (graduate studies have a way of consuming one’s reading choices). With the academic year ending in May, I was able to pick Campbell back up and began reading The Glad River. Below is a synopsis via Amazon.com,

No one in Claughton County ever understood why Doops Momber refused to be baptized: his people were all good Baptists. And no one in Cummings, Mississippi, knew that Kingston Smylie’s daddy was really his granddaddy and that Kingston wasn’t really white. And at Camp Polk, no one knew anything at all about Fordache Arceneau because he spoke only Cajun. They met in basic training. Green kids who’d always felt themselves to be outsiders, they formed a community of three. They called it the neighborhood. After seeing action together at Guadalcanal, the three friends went back to the lives they’d each known, but they went on meeting regularly, keeping up the neighborhood. Their lives were untroubled, until the day Fordache found himself accused of murder, on trial for his life. And in a small Southern courtroom in the autumn of 1952, the neighborhood — bound by love and based on understanding — faced its ultimate test. The Glad River is a deeply affecting novel. Grounded in a particular place and time, its themes are, nonetheless, universal. A novel that probes the limits of religion and the state, it is also the work of a master storyteller and civil rights activist whose works are considered a treasure of modern Southern literature.

Campbell touches on a lot of issues in this story. The importance of community and friendship are described in detail along with the horrors of war that are somehow relationally binding to those who serve beside one another. Having served in the army himself during WWII Campbell accomplishes this by drawing from personal experience. He also addresses the complex issues surrounding individual and social identity. The story is captivating with wonderful character development. Perhaps for this reason, when I reached the last several chapters of the book, I began to ask myself questions much aligned to those asked by the main characters (good stories, be they fictional or not, should move one to question themselves in one way or another). Yet, it was the thoughts of the character Doops Momber where most of my questions began to stem from. As the synopsis described, Doops is a Baptist. A Mississippian Baptist to be exact. His family is Baptist (or his as Campbell and other good southerners would say “his people” are Baptist) along with everyone in his hometown. Without giving too much of the story away, Doops has troubling thoughts about the act of baptism from an early age. His mother continues to pressure him about it before and after the war. Throughout the book Doops gives somewhat vague responses as to why he hasn’t been baptized nor saw it happening in his foreseeable future. It is only near the end of the book where Doops is sitting on the witness stand during a murder trial involving his close friend Fordache where Doops gives the reader his most clear answer as to why.

During the scene, Doops is questioned about a fictional story he wrote while recovering from illness in an army hospital. Doops writes of a group of Christian believers living in Holland in the early 16th century. On the stand, Doops said he was inspired by a book entitled Martyrs Mirrors which a pastor had given to him as a young boy. Doops's character is being questioned by the prosecuting attorney for not having been baptized. When Doops's counsel has the chance to cross examine his client the following conversation ensues;

“What did the people you wrote about believe?” he said again. What made them different?”

“They did not believe in baptizing infants. And because they did not believe in taking human life, would not go to war. They did not believe in the death penalty so they were not allowed to serve on juries. They believed the Church and the State should be completely separate. They would not swear, because they understood the scripture to forbid it. They led simple lives, did not engage in politics. And some of them, a few of them, practiced community of goods.”

“And what exactly was that? ‘Community of goods’?”

“They had a common treasury. Property and possessions were owned by the community, not the individuals. It was the only way they could survive in times of persecution.”

At the end of the questioning, Doops gives his reason for not being baptized.

“Mr. Momber, you admired the people you wrote about, didn’t you?”

“Yes, sir. I still do.”

“Do you know anybody like that today? Like they were?”

“No, sir. Not so far.”

“And if you found someone like they were, would you ask them to baptize you?”

“Yes, sir.”

I read those words and highlighted them. I put the book down and began to process what feelings they brought up in me. I knew the believers Doops described were obviously based off a real sect of Christians that existed after the Reformation. These believers were offshoots of the Reformed and Lutheran Protestants. They were referred to as Anabaptist or Re-baptizers, a name given to them by their critics (believers of this sect would say they never were re-baptized since their infant baptism were issued by the State resulting in the first being illegitimate). These men and women took the teachings of Martin Luther and Ulrich Zwingli and “radicalized” them. Names such as Conrad Gerbels, Jacob Hutter, and Menno Simons are counted among the founders of the Hutterrites, Mennonites, Amish, and the Swiss Brethren. While significance and contribution is often debated, the teachings of these early leaders played a role in the development of the people who now identify as Baptist. After all, the man most often given credit for founding the modern Baptist faith, John Smyth, led a group to Holland (where the Anabaptist movement was strong) and by the end of his life asked to be accepted into a Mennonite community (just like a good Baptist to question their salvation, haha). No doubt an influential connection, whether strong or weak, was established.

As a Baptist, I believe these people are the for-bearers of my faith and from what I can devise from Campbell and his fictional character Doops, both of them thought the same. Yet, somewhere Doops had seen this connection severed in such a way that it would not allow him to be baptized by the folks in his community who claimed to be Baptist in good conscious because they did not resemble the individuals who had started the faith. Which made me wonder, what would happen if a church website included Statements of Beliefs in close line with early Baptists? Imagine seeing this,

We here at First Baptist Church Small Town, USA believe…

1)    Infants are not to be baptized.

2)    We do not believe in taking human life.

3)    We will not go to war for this country or any country.

4)    We do not believe or support the death penalty.

5)    We will not swear or serve on juries.

6)    We believe in complete separation of Church and State.

7)    We believe in a community of goods.

A church with this on their website might not get a lot of takers, but then again, maybe they would. The Baptist faith has gone through many changes attributed to culture and modern interpretations/revelation of scripture. I often hear older generations make the statement, “If only we could do it like we did it back then” or echo the old Gospel hymn “Give me that old time religion, it’s good enough for me.” I dare say the “old time religion” they are referring to resembles this type of early Baptist faith. This sort of adherence of faith is still seen in some groups already mentioned (Amish, Mennonites, etc…), and even in some modern Baptist denominations (mostly concerning the separation of Church and State). Nonetheless, little of this understanding of faith is seen in Baptist circles today.

Doops had something to say on this as well. When he was first writing his story in the army hospital he formed a relationship with a nurse, Miss Williams, from Rhode Island (I see what you did there Campbell). When asked about the story he was writing, Doops and Miss Williams had the following exchange;

“This story is about some people who lived a long time ago and aren’t around anymore,” he wrote. “An extinct species, I think.” He handed her the tablet. She read it sighed and handed it back. “I just want to write a story about them. And that’s all I want.” She read his words but did not hand the tablet back to him this time.

“Extinct people,” the nurse said, looking confused. “What kind of extinct people?” Doops reached for the tablet, but she held it behind her back. “What kind of extinct people?” she asked again.

“Baptist people,” Doops said feebly after a long pause.

Baptists. An extinct people. I believe ole Campbell and Doops were on to something there.

Baptist represents the largest Protestant denomination in the United States (and of them the SBC claims the most members). We have come a long way in some areas and traveled less in others. For a people who do not claim creeds, we have become creedal in our understanding of traditions. We point to our heritage as validation of our beliefs while leaving behind some of the tenets that made our interpretation of faith uniquely profound. For that is the kind of faith that causes a people to rebel against the injustices of a corrupt world in hopes of living a life in obedience to God.

Oh…spoiler alert, Doops does get dipped (baptized) by the end of the story. He finds someone who reminds him of the people he respected and admired for the ability to live out their faith. Turns out Baptists weren’t extinct after all, they just weren’t in the churches anymore…

Like Campbell and Doops, I mean to find me a few real Baptist is this world. I don’t believe they're extinct.

Hopefully, just maybe, I might mess around and become one in the process.

Fighting On Social Media

Came across an older post I had written in the early part of 2016 when I when I was still at Campbell University. I made no changes to the article, and yet as I read it, I could have written it yesterday...

As I type this, I am sitting in our comfortable red leather chair in our living room (that our cats have become too possessive over I might add) and enjoying my second cup of coffee this morning.

And yes, as a Pastor…I know how cliche what I just typed sounded.

However it is for these small things that I find myself thankful this morning. You see since Friday afternoon Lauren and I had been without power until yesterday evening. The blizzard storm, Jonas, (and when did winter storms start getting names?) covered the RDU area with a mixture of wintery precipitation.

And when I say “mixture” I really mean “ice”.

The 48 hours prior to yesterday’s return of modern convenience was a true eye opener. This of course is not the first time I’ve ever lost power in a storm, but it has been awhile since it occurred. Although many offers from friends and families were extended for a place for us to stay, we decided to hunker down and break out the candles and extra blankets. Not to mention having Fred (a large Golden Retriever) and two cats to share our bed; we were beyond toasty.

So no power means no lights. No hot water (we ran out on the second day). No stove to cook. No way to charge our phones (unless we charged them in the cars…which we did). No Hulu. No Netflix. No internet.

Those last three things I mentioned; it was like living in the 1990’s all over again.

However even with the lack of today’s technology being limited to me, I came to appreciate the circumstance/pleasure that had been obstructed by a self imposed desire of contemporary accessibility (i.e. Hulu, Netflix, Social Media).

Reading.

Now for those that know me, this may sound a bit farfetched as you know I am a constant reader. Nonetheless, in recent times I have found that I have neglected reading as a form of pleasure. I had begun to recognize it more as a task. Reading for school is the obvious example, and as much as I enjoy studying/learning…I must admit trying to consume enough knowledge/ideas can be taxing at times. But not all of my reading is scholarly. What I discovered in the deafening silence offered by the power outage was that the majority of my reading is now being occupied by the tabloid of my time…social media, and to be more specific: Facebook.

A small disclaimer: I get the benefits of social media. It can be used in lots of positive ways. It brings people together. Everybody has a voice. Etc, etc, etc…

So the question now to be answered is; what is it that personally draws me to social media/Facebook? Why is it that as I lie in bed at night, I scroll through Facebook?

If I’m honest with myself, and for this reflection I really want to be, it’s not for the above mentioned benefits. I’m not doing it to stay connected to high school friends. I’m not using it to check up on current colleagues and peers to share in their pictures of new babies (and trust me there are A LOT of them). I’m not intentionally using it to learn in a traditional sense, although I have learned something in this instance…so maybe that’s a plus. What I’ve come to understand is that I go to Facebook to see one thing.

People argue.

People fight.

People disagree.

People end friendships.

People make hurtful statements.

People make harsh claims.

People attack each other.

I could keep going, but I think you get the point.

Sad thing is we could substitute “I” for “People” if we are going for authenticity here.

Yes, everyone has a voice. That voice and its opinion are protected under the First Amendment of these United States. All good and understood.

Yet, do I always need to express my opinion? Is my opinion on certain topics even worth expressing? And when I do feel the need to express, do I need to do in such a way that degrades another’s point of view? When I state my opinion do I state it as fact? Am I looking to dialogue? Do I state it under the presumption that I’m right and you’re wrong?

Western civilization today presents us with a very polarizing worldview. We are given this side, or that side. Yes or no. Black or white. We are taught to oppose “this” and support “that”.  Little room is left for discussion or gray areas.

This thinking brought me back to a moment I had in the classroom at Campbell University. As part of a class discussion, we were breaking the class down into subgroups to see what are resources were. We were doing this in order to gain perspective on what we could offer as support to a certain community that we wished to engage. This conversation led to what type of questions should we ask of the community we wanted to enter and be involved with. What should we take into consideration? We used our own small 14 persons class as a case study. What was our income level? What different ethnic groups did we represent? What denomination or faith groups existed? Age groups? Basic yet important questions. To know the needs of a people you must first know the people. As I stared at the board, I noticed one obvious distinction we had somehow missed…

“What about political views” I asked? “Not just Democrat or Republican, but are they/we conservative or liberal”?

Silence.

Nothing.

Nada.

Our professor acknowledged that it was an important factor to consider and wrote it on the board. However NO ONE in the class wanted to share what their views were. No one wanted to express their opinion in lieu of being exposed to questioning for thinking a certain way.

Of course this brings up so many questions. That fact that we feel we can express our income, faith, and ethnicity, etc…to a certain level while not feeling threatened says wonders. Yet why can’t we speak about our political stances without the fear that we’ll be ostracized? If my class was an indication of the larger feelings that those of us living currently in the United States have is that we are more attached to our personal political stance than we are to any other identifier.

As someone who claims to follow Jesus…this is a problem.

In the past several months, and what is to be expected in the months ahead, the division of one another over issues stemming from political to economic beliefs will intensify (it’s a election year after all). Instead of working together, offering different perspectives by listening to one another, appreciating our differences and the values they hold, and demonstrating diplomacy we are urged to segregate ourselves into opposing camps. The picture we are given instead is that we must take a stand to ensure that as a people we won’t be taken advantage of, that we won’t allow a group of people to terrorize us, and that we must protect our freedom and way of life by any means necessary…

I flip through Facebook and see the dividing walls being lifted. Arguments between strangers and even family members erupt over these issues. Hurtful comments sent across the internet that can never be wiped clean (even as much as we like to believe they can be deleted later). These conversations become snapshots in time that preserves our lack of understanding and willingness to hear each other out. When we attack someone, what we are really saying is that “we are superior to you” and “your opinion doesn’t matter”.

Sadly I see many of those waving the Christian banner doing exactly this…

Instead of voicing our preferences, opinions, and fears…what if we could become the “light of the world” that Christ spoke about in Matthew’s Gospel (Ch.5:14)?

Instead of mocking, shaming, and vilifying one another we rid ourselves “of all malice, and all guile, insincerity, envy, and slander” (1st Peter 2:1)?

Instead of celebrating when those who disagree with you fail, demonstrate a way that does “not rejoice when your enemy falls” or if they stumble (Prov.24:17)?

I could keep going….but I think this next one sums it up nicely.

If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. (1st John 4:20-21)

My wish is to see more encouragement in this world. More affirmation. More compassion. More sincerity. More Love. More Jesus. I know it’s hard to walk along side someone who’s different. It’s hard to be taken out of our comfort zones and be exposed to ideas that might rattle our worldviews. It’s hard to show patience with people. It’s hard to love people, but the alternative of hate is something we must not surrender to. Dr. Martin Luther King said it this way in one of his sermons;

“Now there is a final reason I think that Jesus says, “Love your enemies.” It is this: that love has within it a redemptive power. And there is a power there that eventually transforms individuals. Just keep being friendly to that person. Just keep loving them, and they can’t stand it too long. Oh, they react in many ways in the beginning. They react with guilt feelings, and sometimes they’ll hate you a little more at that transition period, but just keep loving them. And by the power of your love they will break down under the load. That’s love, you see. It is redemptive, and this is why Jesus says love. There’s something about love that builds up and is creative. There is something about hate that tears down and is destructive. So love your enemies.”

This is how Christ overcame this world, and he has called us to do the same.

“For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.” (Eph. 2:10)

"What's Going on at Duke?" My personal back and forth with the resignation of Paul Griffiths.

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In early 2016 I was discerning where my next stop in my theological education would take place. I had whittled the choices down to a few institutions, one of them being Duke University’s School of Divinity (Alas, Wake Forest School of Divinity won out). I toured the school and was able to have lunch with a few current students to gauge their experience. As part of the tour, I was able to attend an introductory theology course taught by Dr. Paul Griffiths. Overall I enjoyed the class and took enough notes to fill several pages. I had wanted to introduce myself to Dr. Griffiths, but I did not get the opportunity.

If Paul Griffiths’ name seems familiar to you it’s because it’s been in the local and national headlines recently.

Griffiths has taught at Duke Divinity for over a decade, but will be resigning from his position as the Warren Professor of Catholic Theology at the end of the next academic year. Why you ask? Well, the answer depends on who you ask and where you fall on the spectrum of free speech (I make this statement knowing already this scenario isn’t so cut and dry, and like most cases, is harder to decipher than it first appears).

Without giving a complete retelling of a story that has been told in dozens of other articles (News&Observer and WSJ), the resignation of Griffiths began with an email request from fellow faculty member, Dr. Anathea Portier-Young. The email encouraged staff to attend a two day seminar dealing with diversity training. Upon reading the email, Griffiths responded back in his own mass email to the rest of the faculty encouraging them not to attend the “definitively anti-intellectual” training sessions. From there Dr. Elaine Heath, Dean of the Divinity School, became involved and voiced her support of the diversity training. It would appear the two parties were unable to come to terms to a sit down meeting. The disagreement quickly escalated; with a harassment suit being filed by Portier-Young through the University’s Office for Institutional Equity and charged with unprofessional conduct by Dean Heath. Griffiths’ resignation would come soon after and accompanied with a published explanation of why he did so.

It would be easy to play “Captain Hindsight” here and explain why this disagreement between two faculty members couldn’t have been settled in a more professional manner. From an exchange of emails, it would seem the situation moved so fast that perhaps lines were drawn before the opposing parties really knew what was at stake. My general thoughts, after having time to process this story, were like many in the comment sections of the articles I have linked to above.

Why did Griffiths respond in the matter he did using a mass email?

Was his response part of a much bigger issue and back story we “the readers” are not privy to?

Did Portier-Young take the criticism more as a personal attack vs. a critique of the purposed diversity training? If not, why file the harassment suit with the university?

Why couldn’t three highly educated adults find a time to sit down and work this out?

These are just a few of the questions that I, and others, have asked ourselves as this story continues to unfold. I for one would prefer this to be a simple case where there is a clear victim and perpetrator, leaving me to know exactly whom to side with. I must admit at first I thought it was that easy. I read the story with the understanding that Griffiths was being confrontational and maybe a bit of a contrarian. Why would someone not be in favor of diversity training? Certainly a professor at a prestigious divinity school would support gatherings encouraging inclusivity, right? I began to paint a picture in my head of a academic elitist who thought he was too good to sit and listen to a panel of speakers explain to him what he should already be aware of in his classroom. And yet, as I began to read article after article I began to see a different side to the story. One that didn’t make it so cut and dry as I would like it to be.

I used to work in manufacturing and logistics. Working in those environments I was part of numerous mandatory meetings dealing with large companies’ policies ranging from harassment to diversity. As I began to reflect back on those experiences I started to realize, “God, that kinda was a waste of time.” Before you think I’m a horrible person for not wanting to sit through this type of training, let me say very clearly that I by no way believe that to be aware and informed of these type of issues within the workplace (and in this case a university) isn’t important. Discrimination towards people groups and individuals happens all the time, and I want to be part of a process that helps bring this to end. I did however question the motive and means in how this training was approached and taught. Who was benefiting from this training? Could it be done in a better way? Why wasn’t I asked for feedback? It seemed I was being “talked at” instead of being asked to join a conversation. Instead of eagerness I met those times with resentfulness. Maybe Griffiths felt something similar. Once I saw this, Griffiths’s situation became relatable.

And here is where it started to get tricky for me.

Griffiths’s response seemed harsh and somewhat demeaning to me. Yet, his mass email was a candid expression of what he thought of the training…much in the likes of Portier-Young. Where she was for, he was against. They both used the same platform, email, to point out why they felt the way they did. When I began to break this down, this is what I came to; two intellectuals in the same respected field of study disagreed on something. Instead of having discourse and walking away with mutual respect for one another, one filed a harassment suit and the other felt the need to resign.

This might be an assumed misconception, but bear with me. I have been brought up to believe the Academy of academia was where the best and brightest go to learn and teach. Professors representing different schools of thought could come together to offer an experience where all sides of a situation could be heard and dissected for examination. Particularly in higher education regurgitation of material was not sought. Instead, concepts and past knowledge were tested and leaned into to see if they actually held up. New ideas could be brought to the table with dialogue being key in understanding not just theories, but each other better (I think of the debating friendship of G.K Chesterton and Bernard Shaw). Disagreement is part of the academic process; it’s what makes us/them better at what we do.

When I see two fine intellectuals at a flagship institution like Duke Divinity not being able to work out their differences I worry for the rest of us.

An opportunity representing two diverse opinions (oh the irony) presented itself and the individuals and university were not able to take advantage and engage with it. The resignation of Griffiths means his voice/stance will no longer be heard at the university concerning this matter. This act could lead others to feel the same way and depart from the university because they feel as if their voice isn’t being heard. As a Baptist, when voices start becoming silenced at a university my ears perk up. I have heard of the stories and incidents that took place at the major Southern Baptist Seminaries in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Depending on whom you ask these institutions experienced a conservative resurgence or a fundamentalist take-over. Either way a number of highly accredited Moderate-minded professors were dismissed, or felt they could not stay at these seminaries in good conscience because their understanding of scripture and how they taught differed with their colleagues. I hope I’m not comparing apples to oranges here, but I believe the general notion of one side pushing another out can be seen.

In the end, this issue has become more gray than “black and white” to me. I agree with Portier-Young and Dean Heath that diversity training is a needed and good tool. However, I am for Griffiths having the ability to question and critique the reasoning behind the training. In a nutshell; I want to push for diversity, but should always be willing to reevaluate how I approach those means in which I operate. My hope is that Duke and other universities learn from this ordeal. When one surrounds themselves with “head-nodders and yes men” the outcome steers one away from needed and sometimes difficult conversation. I expect more from them (Duke Divinity, Portier-Young, Griffiths, Heath) because I really want to expect more from myself.

“We” are better than this.

Neighbors: The Next Step in Community

A while back I wrote a blog about community. As I grow older, and hopefully wiser, I want to revisit the idea of community in and outside the Church.

When I pulled into the parking lot I already felt a little nervous. It’s always a little jarring for me going into a place I don’t know very well. I had given myself a pep talk on the ride over, reminding yours truly not to drift into my default mode of being a “wall flower.” When I finally parked I begin to experience both excitement and anxiousness, two emotions which often accompany one another. As I sat in the car not ready to get out, I had a stream of thoughts run through my head.

“You know, you could just turn around. You’ve got other stuff to do today.”

“I’ve heard weird stuff about the people who go here…”

“Will anyone talk to me?” (I think I’m cool, but will they think I’m cool.)

I made my way across the lot and through the front entrance. As soon as I hit the door I saw three people standing inside what I understood to be the foyer. Before I had the chance to say anything, a young woman made her way over to me.

“Good morning. You must be Justin, right? I’ve heard about you. Nice to have you here with us.” She said all this with what I perceived as a genuine smile across her face.

 She was followed by a handful of other people, introducing themselves to me with hearty handshakes. I found a seat and continued to have a conversation with a young man who was asking me a bit about myself. Not intruding questions mind you, but simple open ended questions that allowed me to share in detail as much as I felt comfortable with. More people began to come in and I was introduced to them as well. I was pleased to see people who looked different from one another. This was not a place where everyone looked alike. Men and women representing different ethnic backgrounds stood around in an open circle conversing about their lives and what they had done since they had last seen one another. From what I could tell from eavesdropping, most of them had seen each other no longer than a day or two before. I heard laughter coming down the hall and saw children entering into a room filled with toys and a big flat screen TV. There was even a dog wondering around affectionately looking for attention, which she found plenty of as the crowd grew to over 30 people.  As we made our way into a slightly larger room a gentleman named Reggie called everyone to attention.

“Hey everybody, we have a guest with us this morning. If you haven’t met him already, this is Justin. Before we leave today I want you to be able to tell me one thing about him.” I tend to shy away when a spotlight is directed upon me, but the manner in which this act of kindness was done made me feel a sense of acceptance.  

Working with students I often find myself talking about acceptance at least a couple of times a month. Acceptance is something I imagine most people become aware of in elementary school, if not, certainly by middle school. Being welcomed into a small community of friends where one feels they can truly be themselves with little to no judgment is highly sought. What I tell my students is the longing for acceptance never really goes away. Wanting to fit in or be accepted by a certain group of people happens well past ones awkward teen years. The same emotions can arise no matter the age, be it 15 or 50. In my case, I find life in groups which recognize me as a unique individual. Groups that allow me space to express my thoughts and feelings. For me it’s not so much about “fitting in” as it is allowing me to “be me.” When I feel I can’t convey who I am I shutdown versus conceding into the preferred stereotype (I mean come on, I picked the moniker black sheep Baptist for reason).

For the next hour I engaged in light conversation with different people who were both encouraging and affirming of my presence and contribution. We participated in a group activity where this milieu just happened. By the end of our time that day I felt I had shared more with some people in an hour than I had with some of my seminary classmates over the course of an academic year (not because my seminary peers aren’t awesome, but this environment seemed more conducive in allowing me to open up). After everything was over, Reggie raised his voice over everyone’s yet again. “Alight, who here can tell me something about Justin?” Multiple voices began shouting…

“His wife is named Lauren.”

“He moved here from Raleigh and lives over in Ardmore.”

“His got a golden retriever named Fred.”

“He goes to Wake Forest University.”

“He works at a church in Statesville.”

As I began to make my way out, a few people came over and thanked me for joining them that day. They expressed a desire for me to consider coming back and hoped I could bring my wife next time. Some even asked what my schedule was like to see if perhaps we could meet up during the week. I’m a pretty cautious person and typically when people approach me in this manner I tend to take three steps backwards to create space and evaluate the situation. This time I found myself only taking one step backwards. Somewhere deep inside me I believed they meant what they said. My encounter with these folks appeared to be bona fide.

As I got in my SUV I ran the scenario over in my head. I was greeted and felt welcomed. People were happy to see me there. I was asked to participate and cheered on for what I brought to the experience. People wanted to know something about me; they wanted me to add my voice to theirs. I felt part of something, even if it was just the first time I had visited there. Everyone seemed to want to accomplish the same goal, but did this in different ways. They not only invited me back, but wanted my wife to come (acknowledging her is just as important as acknowledging me). Driving down the road the thought came to me, “Man that really felt like church.”

But it wasn’t church. I wasn’t visiting another congregation. I was at a CrossFit “box”.

*Disclaimer/Confession: I’m not here to plug CrossFit. I was one of many people who for years made fun not so much of the program as much as I did of the people who went there. What’s the old joke? Q: How do you know someone does CrossFit? A: Don’t worry they’ll tell you. The irony of all this is when I got home I posted on social media about going there. Pot meets Kettle. My purpose is to become more active and lead a healthier life. At this time CrossFit is the best option for me to obtain that goal.

The realization that Crossfit does community better than most of the churches I’ve visited over the last decade was, and is, staggering. The people there were connected in ways I rarely see in church settings. I often hear the expression when leaving church, “Have a good week” or “I’ll see you next Sunday.” This doesn’t happen with the group of individuals who attend the box I visited (a “box” is what CrossFitters call their gym, if you go to one you’ll understand why). These people see each other anywhere from 3 to 6 times a week and sometimes travel to regional Crossfit competitions with each other. They get together and participate in other activities besides working out. One of the conversations I overheard dealt with a handful of people who had joined a kickball league together, another being a couple of guys grabbing breakfast one morning. These people were living out community and I was in awe.  

Rebel-rousing Baptist preacher Will D. Campbell in his fictional work The Glad River had this to say about authentic community. “Community ain’t something you join. You don’t get voted into it. It just happens!” Campbell alludes to the situations where community is less selective as it is organic. However, I’m hoping ole’ Brother Will would agree with me here, there has to be some intentionality behind community. Looking at the Crossfit community that I visited, I realize their facility and common desire to exercise is the catalyst that draws people together, but the motivation to connect with other individuals is what keeps people coming back day after day week after week with such gusto. All of a sudden the focus is not so much on the community, but the relationships that occur within it.

In the first chapter of The Glad River Campbell introduces two main characters, Doops and Kingston. They are thrown into getting to know one another in the midst of training for war (the scene takes place sometime after the attack on Pearl Harbor). Walking along, Kingston begins to share a revealing personal story about his upbringing. The story is intimate and Doops is both intrigued and taken back by the suddenness of Kingston’s ability to open up to him. From the feel of the conversation, the anecdote was told in order to build up a level of trust. Doops sensing this and starts the following dialogue.

Doops put his hand on the man’s shoulder and turned him around, looking directly into his eyes. “Do you trust me, Kingston?”

“Yes. I trust you, Doops. Do you trust me?”

“Yes. I trust you.” They stood shaking hands again, looking each other squarely in the eyes.

“Then we are buddies?” Kingston asked. Neither face showed any expression.

“Yes. We are buddies. I’m your buddy.”

“Are you my friend?”

“Friend?” Doops relpied. “Friend.” He repeated the word but no longer as a question, his voice dropping. “That’s a stronger word. We’ll have to see. But we’re neighbors. Like I say, we’re neighbors. I know that much.”

Neighbors. Maybe that’s a better way of describing how people that live in community should view one another. In fact, let’s change the idea of community to that of a neighborhood. When Lauren and I moved to Winston-Salem, we knew we wanted to live in a neighborhood we both liked and were excited when we found a house in Ardmore. Yet, just because we moved into the community/neighborhood that didn’t automatically make us neighbors with those around us. Sure maybe on the surface level and based solely off proximity, but simply being in a certain place doesn’t necessarily make one part of that place. I can run onto the basketball court at a Cleveland Cavaliers game wearing a Lebron James jersey and just because I’m close to the players doesn’t make me part of the team. To be neighbors with someone I believe a relationship has to be established. Over the course of a year we are starting to become neighbors with some of the folks in our neighborhood. We feed some of excess vegetation to our next-door neighbor’s goats (yes, we live in the city and our neighbor has goats). Our neighbor across the street has brought over our mail when it has been delivered to his place by mistake. Perhaps the best story deals with our neighbors down the street. After all the drama that surrounded last year’s political season, these neighbors wrote us a warm letter the day after the election stating that they wished to get to know us better (this letter was accompanied with homemade baked bread as well). Since then we have had several interactions including a lovely dinner at their place. We may not be the best of friends with these folks yet, but we are certainly neighbors. We not only recognize and see one another; we have also made moves towards one another.

In Luke’s Gospel Jesus tells the story/parable of the Good Samaritan. A man is robbed, beaten, and left for dead. A priest and Levite, representing religious authority leaders in the Jewish community, pass by the man and offer no help. The foreign Samaritan, an individual not considered part of the Jewish community, sees the injured man and is moved by compassion. He helps the man where the others did not. At the end of the story Jesus uses the term “neighbor” in describing how the Samaritan responded. The injured man and the Samaritan were not friends, we do not know if they knew each other prior to this story, yet this did not stop them from becoming neighbors.

Sometimes community happens easily, i.e. I show up at Crossfit and I’m part of it. But if I want a deeper relationship with people I have to be willing to become neighborly. This summer I am fortunate to be serving at my current church in a full time role. My goal is to allow myself to become more immersed in the community of my congregation. I’ll also be thinking of ways I can be more of a neighbor to not only my parishioners but others as well.

 People at Crossfit.

 Fellow seminarians.

 Individuals in my actual neighborhood.

Maybe the answer to the question is not so much as how can I be a neighbor to them, but them to me?

As I often tell my students when presenting two different views; it’s probably a little bit of both. You can’t just be someone’s neighbor. They have to be yours too.

Can Ministers Be Professional?

For a guy that wears t-shirts and leopard print pants (which I do), what does it look like to be professional? 

Ever been in an awkward moment with someone? I can think of a lot instances in my life where my foot found its way to my mouth all too quickly. During those occasions, my thoughts move extra fast and before I can discern what I should say I say the weirdest or worst thing possible. I can remember working in a manufacturing job in my early twenties and this happening with my supervisor. It happened around Easter as I was telling a group of work buddies that my parents still made sure I received a “basket” from the Easter bunny filled with candy.

My supervisor: “Man, I wouldn’t tell that! A grown man getting an Easter basket…” He started to give me some guff about my parents treating me like a kid. Before I could fully process what he said I heard myself say…

Me: “You know, if I had any respect for you that might have hurt my feelings.”

Crickets accompanied by awkward glances and stifled laughs as people tried not make eye contact with both him and me. I was never a big fan of this guy, or him of me I imagine, but as you might gather this didn’t help our relationship moving forward. Reflecting back on this some fifteen years ago, I realize as much as I enjoyed saying what I said I know I didn’t act appropriately. I dare say I didn’t act to what many would describe as “professional”, but of course neither did he. I started thinking about this exchange recently when another such moment occurred. This time I wasn’t nearly as crass, but the conversation did lead me to question what “professionalism” looks like in my own ministry context.

But before I share the story, let me pose the question(s); can someone be a professional minister?  

According to all things Calvinistic and Reformed, John Piper, the answer is no. In his book Brothers, We Are Not Professionals Piper lays out the argument that minstry is not to be viewed as a guild or to be held to a “standard of excellence.” Piper states the idea of someone being a professional prayer or a professional concerning spiritual gift is absurd. He pushes for the true essence of ministry to focus on the presence of the Holy Spirit and all the supernatural-ness (yes, I just made that word up) that follows the work of the Spirit.

And as crazy as it sounds, in some ways I have to agree with Piper (Full disclaimer here: my theology and Piper’s rarely line up). I natural associate the term professional with athletes. This analogy helps me to understand Piper’s point that you don’t have such distinctions as amateur or professional ministry leaders in your church. Those labels simply don’t work in this context. Yet, I feel I can push back on this concept. I do believe some expectations that are typically understood to be sought in the corporate world can benefit everyone and certainly ministers. These expectations do not include “climbing the corporate ladder” or materialism that most often defines corporations and big businesses.

With all that being said, here are a few ways ministers can be more “professional.”

Timeliness

This should be a given, but I’ll list it first and foremost. I am the type of person who needs to get to the movies early. I calculate the time I know it’s going to take me to get to the theatre, grab overpriced popcorn, and sit down in time to enjoy the handful of previews. That’s just how I roll. Something’s you can’t plan for, such as a car accident/fender bender holding up traffic unexpectedly or, my favorite, the person who is asking there 4 year old what they want at the concession stand and holding up the line (Get that kid some Goobers and get out of the way!). Working in ministry can be tricky when dealing with time. Your planned afternoon meeting with someone can be interrupted by a phone call letting you know another member had to be taken to the hospital. All of a sudden your plans change and you have to do your best to notify and reschedule. Those circumstances need to be explained and hopefully understood as for why you were late or couldn’t make your appointment. Simply blowing off people for an asinine reason doesn’t cut it (I know that 9 minute cat video on YouTube was funny, but you can watch it later). Bottom line, if you say you’re going to be somewhere at a designated time…be there at that time! This type of commitment pays off big time in the “trust departments” of others.

Courtesy

When you take the time to call someone and let them know you might be late, that’s just common courtesy. When you take the extra 5 minutes to respond to an email, that lets the other person know they matter. Another way to view courtesy is to be openly polite. Being able to listen and allow someone to finish their sentence before you interject. Another example might be openly acknowledging someone as they walk into a room where they know no one and introducing them to others. For me growing up in the South I say “Yes Ma’am and Sir” all the time when I address others I may not know. Courtesy is a hard practice from the looks of social media. Being polite can be misconstrued with being weak or unable to say what’s on your mind. Often people say that prefer someone to “tell it like it is” and not to “sugarcoat” anything. This usually works up to a point until that same person doesn’t like what they’re hearing. All of a sudden courtesy becomes a hot commodity. Ministers must practice courtesy with their congregations, with those outside their churches, and certainly with each other.

Authenticity

This word gets used A LOT now a days. Working in student ministry for the last several years I am often reminded of the “BS meter” teenagers possess. From my experience, teens prefer to hear something that sounds authentic and real. When I share a lesson with them on certain subject or theme I often tell personal stories to drive home the point. Most of the stories I tell have little to do where I was successful in the matter. Mostly they are confessions of my short comings. Where I felt I didn’t do my best or made a mistake. With my students I try to own my baggage as best I can. Ministers are often viewed as the folks in church who have it all together. I will speak for myself in this matter, but I struggle just as much with doubts, fears, and the brokenness of this world as the average church attendee. What authenticity allows me to do is to be free with my strife and place it on the table. I can remember not long ago a particular bad night I had at my current church. I can’t remember the details leading up to it, but I was just in a “funk” to say the least. I wasn’t very present with my students and it showed in my attitude and in how I led our discussion that night. The next time we met I made the point of apologizing to them and explained as best I could what I had been going through that day before I met with them. When I slip I need to own it.

You might be asking yourself by now, where is all this coming from?

Lauren and I have been In Winston-Salem now for a year. Prior to the move I reached out to some suggested fellow ministers as I hoped to establish some points of contact and support for us as we transitioned here. Some individuals responded back and I am happy to say that I’ve had some great relationships form. However, I kept hearing about one particular individual and how much I needed to connect with them. After several failed email attempts to introduce myself with no response from this individual I must admit I became a little “over this person.” I know others who sing the praises of this person and have stories of how awesome and helpful this person has been to them. I wish I had their same stories, because from the outside looking in I can see what they say is true and yet I can’t relate.

All this to say it made it awkward when I ran into this person recently.

Unlike with my supervisor, the more mature Justin didn’t say anything out of the way. I was courteous in our conversation and sincere when I said it was a pleasure to have met them. And even though I didn’t say “Yeah, I’m the dude you never responded to”, I still feel I was authentic in the moment.

Why bite my tongue you ask? Because I know somewhere to somebody…I’m that person. I never responded back, I blew them off, and I made someone feel as if they didn’t matter. I should extend some grace there because some grace has definitely been extended to me.

This encounter reminded me that I need to be more professional, and by professional I mean this:

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 7:12 (NASB)

Amen.

Tough Conversations: Unpacking 13 Reasons Why

Have you ever been hooked on a television show? I remember when the show Lost was must see TV for me. I had binged watch the first few seasons on DVD and made sure every Thursday night I tuned in to see what happened on the mysterious Island (I still think I’m trying to process what happened in that final episode). Lauren and I had just started dating, so my memories of Lost are of a time that takes me back to sitting in her small apartment near UNC-Greensboro’s campus and eating NYP pizza (which is hands down the best pizza joint in G’boro. They stay open to 5am!?!).

Movies, television shows, and now Netflix series can have quite an impact on us. I have always been something of a movie buff and have viewed all types of cinema as different forms of artistic expression. Just like me associating Lost with meeting Lauren and awesome pizza, movies and shows have the ability to take us back to times and settings long past. They have the ability to influence…sometimes for good and sometimes for bad. At their best I believe movies and shows have the ability to expose us to things that perhaps we haven’t been aware of before (think Boyz n the Hood for white suburbia in the mid 1990s).

With all that being said, I haven’t latched on to a show in quite some time. There have been a few here and there, but for the most part I tend not to allow myself to get drawn in too much by a series. As funny as it might sound, there is commitment involved. People speak of “binge watching” shows, and I have experienced that firsthand. You watch one or two episodes mid morning on Saturday and the next thing you know the sun is going down. One must be aware of these pitfalls, especially near the end of the academic semester (I’m completing my first year at Wake Forest Divinity in about a week, Allelujah indeed).

And yet, in the Youth Pastor cliques I run in I kept hearing about this new show. I found out students from all over our country are watching it. Without going into the whole synopsis (you can read that HERE), 13 Reasons Why tells the story of “Clay Jensen, a shy high school student, who returns home from school one day to find that he has received a mysterious package in the mail. It contains seven double-sided cassette tapes used by Hannah Baker, a classmate who has recently committed suicide. Each tape details a reason that she killed herself. The tapes were sent to various other people before arriving at Clay's door.” The show was released on March 31st 2017 as a Netflix original series. It was based off the book of the same name by author Jay Asher.

As a Youth Pastor I can’t help but be involved in some way in youth culture, even if it often leaves me feeling as if I’m on the outside looking in. When students begin to talk about something like this, adults like myself, need to pay attention.

For this reason I felt the need to address 13 Reasons Why.

First and foremost let me be clear: I’m not here to tell you as someone who doesn’t have kids what you’re supposed to do with your kids. That’s just not how I operate. What I do want to do is give parents the information they need in order to make that decision themselves.

So besides the synopsis, here is what I can tell you.

The show depicts the lives of modern day high school teenagers (perhaps sensationalized at times).

These teenagers come from all different backgrounds and have their own difficulties and problems.

Some characters drink and use drugs.

Some characters are sexually active.

They curse a lot.

There is a suicide scene at the end of the series.

A female character is raped.

I do want to make the point that certain scenes and language used at times may feel “raw” to some viewers. However, in my own opinion, the depictions of these scenes are less evasive than other shows and movies out there that deal with similar issues. Surprisingly, nudity almost never occurs.

For many, this could be reasons enough not to watch the show, and again, that is a choice you as a parent will have to make. However, I must say that by choosing not to engage the issues surrounding this show you might miss the opportunity to discuss issues ranging from;

Depression.

Pressure; imposed by peers and parents.

Bullying.

Gossip and Hearsay.

Mental Health.

Isolation and Disconnection.

The responsibilities of one’s own words and the consequences of one’s actions. Particularly when filtered through all avenues of social media.

What 13 Reasons Why brings to the forefront is that there are people sitting beside us, going to school/working with us, living in our communities that are suffering. For those of us who claim to be persons of faith…how can we stand by and not get involved? If I am to love my neighbor (Mark 12:31) than I must know my neighbor. That means spending time with them and doing life with them. It means we must allow those around us to trust us by building bridges. It means stepping out of our comfort zones and approaching people that don’t look like us and inviting them into our circles.

Could you have these discussions without watching the show? Absolutely. The goal of this post is to simply nudge parents towards having these conversations in an environment you and your student feel is safe. I know it may sound cliché, but the old saying of “your kids are already having these conversations with someone” I feel rings true here. One of the most alarming takeaways for me was how the parents on the show had no idea what was going on in Hannah’s school and social life.

Once we see these types of issues around us, we can’t turn a blind eye to them. I think to when Jesus heals a blind man in John’s Gospel. Jesus does this and is being questioned by the religious leaders of his time (Pharisees). Jesus, when speaking to the blind man, says, “I entered this world to render judgment – to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind.” (Ch.9:39) The religious leaders standing nearby became upset. These were the people who understood everything about the Jewish religion. How dare some radical rabbi from Galilee claim otherwise? They cry out to Jesus, “Are you saying we’re blind?”(v.40)

Jesus hits them with what is called in today’s terms a “clapback.”

“If you were blind, you wouldn’t be guilty. But you remain guilty because you claim you can see.” (v.41)

If we claim to care for people, if we claim to love our neighbor, if we claim to want to be welcoming of all people, if we want to practice being inclusive and not exclusive, if…

If we want to claim we follow Christ, we must admit that we see these issues and the people they are attached to. We must not suppress or shy away from these difficult conversations with our students. These types of issues are prevalent in people they know…and maybe even themselves.

Let us not claim we can see when we obviously don’t. And let us pray that when we do see we’re not afraid to do something about it.

Are public attitudes toward clergy changing? It’s complicated.

(This article first appeared on March 22, 2017 in Baptist News Global and can be viewed in its original form HERE.. Another big thanks to Jeff  Brumley for allowing me to lend my voice to the discussion. For reference, my piece will appear in bold.)

Few ministers need coaches or surveys to tell them what Americans think of clergy these days. They can rely on their own experiences for that.

Amy Butler does.

Based on interactions with strangers on flights, at parties and in other settings, it’s apparent some people simply “can’t stand” pastors, said Butler, senior minister at The Riverside Church in New York City.

There also are those who become so intimidated in the presence of a minister that they try to improve their language and behaviors in the moment.

And it seldom has to do with whether the person is a churchgoer or not.

“Even if they are not religious, they have religious baggage and minsters are the recipients of people’s projections,” Butler said.

‘Crisis of credibility’

The respect Americans have, or don’t have, for ministers is a vital measure for religious groups struggling through an age of declining attendance, especially among young people.

The Barna Group has looked into the issue in a new study titled “The Credibility Crisis of Today’s Pastors.”

“The good news: Most people don’t dislike pastors. The bad news: They just don’t really care about pastors either,” Barna declared in a summary of the report published online.

The study, which was produced in cooperation with Pepperdine University, found that a quarter of American adults have “a very positive opinion of pastors in general.”

A slightly higher percentage holds either a “somewhat” or “very negative” opinion of clergy.

 “Similarly, one-quarter of the population has little regard for the pastoral influence in their city or neighborhood,” Barna reported. It found that 19 percent believe pastors to be very influential.

Barna also found that a large percentage of U.S. adults believe clergy are of “some benefit” to the public, while those with personal connections with a pastor feel much more strongly that they do.

“This leaves significant room for pastors to continue to make a positive difference, in spite of the seeming crisis of credibility plaguing their occupation,” Barna said.

‘It has accelerated’

The origins of that credibility crisis, at least in part, lies with the declining credibility of the church in American society, said Mike Queen, a retired Baptist pastor and a consultant with the Center for Healthy Churches.

And that crisis, Queen said, stems largely from an increasingly secular society in which little accommodation is given to people and communities of faith.

 “With that happening, there is probably less respect for clergy just like there is less respect for the church in general,” he said.

Queen began his career in ministry in 1981 and retired in 2011, and he currently is in his third interim position. In that time, he said he’s seen the lack of respect for church and minister decline.

“It has accelerated,” he said.

In part it’s the widening cultural divide driving those attitudes, he said. And it doesn’t help that ministers are held to higher standards in the public eye.

“Every time a minister does something wrong, it’s big news,” he said. “Every time a minister has a problem, then all ministers have a problem.”

‘Maybe that’s just the South’

Pastoral scandals definitely impact the opinions many — especially young people — have about the church and ministers, said Justin Cox, a first-year student at Wake Forest University School of Divinity and minister to students at First Baptist Church in Statesville, N.C.

For many Millennials and Generation Xers, ministers are associated with the many scandals they’ve grown up with, Cox said. More recently, the politicization of churches and the ministry also are offensive.

“It’s a total turnoff,” he said.

Many young people will say there is enough conflict in the world without going to a church and listening to a pastor engaged in controversy, he said.

Those behaviors, or even just the perception of them, will keep younger Americans away from church and taint their beliefs about clergy, he said. Those attitudes outweigh any interest they may have in a congregation’s spiritual practices.

“They say I don’t want the headache I see on social media,” he said.

Another impact is that many ministers in training are opting to serve in nonprofits and other non-church outlets, Cox said.

“They see church as a vehicle that doesn’t move that well.”

Yet, Cox said he is still treated with respect in the community.

“I get taken to lunch by people — younger and older,” said Cox, who is 36. “I have an expense account at church and I have never had to use it to pay for a meal or a coffee. Maybe that’s just the South.”

‘The biggest party killer’

That’s hardly been Butler’s experience.

“People are often surprised and consider it strange” that she is a minister.

And the information can also be a downer in certain settings.

“I say it’s the biggest party killer ever in New York City,” Butler said. “When someone asks what I do for a living, it just kills the party.”

Butler said she rarely discloses her identity as a minister in public, especially during flights.

“Almost 100 percent bring up one of two things,” she said.

“They want to convince you that they are religious and practicing and in the good graces of the church.”

For the other group, it breaks down barriers. “They immediately tell you their deep dark secrets and feel the need to confess,” she said.

Butler said she will disclose her calling in crisis situations.

She recalled a flight during which an elderly male passenger became very ill. When he was taken forward for treatment, Butler sat down beside the man’s wife.

“She asked me to pray and I held her hand until the plane landed,” she said.

“What was interesting, the woman said ‘I am not religious, but please stay with me and pray.”

 

'Water into Wine' brings faith into focus

Justin Cox, Student Minister at First Baptist; Carrilea Potter; Associate Pastor at Broad Street United Methodist and Wes Pitts, Director of Christian Education at First Presbyterian.

Justin Cox, Student Minister at First Baptist; Carrilea Potter; Associate Pastor at Broad Street United Methodist and Wes Pitts, Director of Christian Education at First Presbyterian.

This article appeared in Statesville Free News and can be found in it's original form HERE. Big thanks to Amy Fuhrman for joining us that evening. 

For several months, the “Water into Wine” discussion group has been popping up in my newsfeed on Facebook.

Billed as "a group that seeks to have honest conversation about faith in the 21st century” — and held at one of my favorite Statesville haunts, Wine Maestro — the notifications caught my interest.

And so, on Monday evening, I found myself in a diverse group of faiths and ages, pondering the week’s topic — does God intervene in our daily lives? — over a round of beer and wine.

The “Water into Wine” discussions are a collaboration between Carrilea Potter; Associate Pastor at Broad Street United Methodist; Wes Pitts, Director of Christian Education at First Presbyterian; and Justin Cox, Student Minister at First Baptist. Each gathering, the group focuses on a different topic of discussion, and the group leads the direction the conversation takes.

At Monday’s meeting there were people from different faith and life backgrounds — all participating in a robust and personal discussion about if and how God acts in the lives of humans.

Participants gathered in a circle and shared their thoughts and experiences, from moments where they felt the direct hand of God in their lives — an accident avoided, for example — to moments that made them question their faith and God's role in it, like mass genocide or natural disasters.

The conversation veered in many directions, and it became clear just how personal each individual’s connection with their faith was, as people shared how they made sense of one of the most difficult questions: “Why do bad things happen to good people?”

Many of the participants had different views, from the concept that God intervenes in many life moments to the thought that God equips people with the tools to deal with life’s troubles and allows them to do so ... or not.

In the end — as with so many questions in life — no one answer was reached. But the group did agree on the idea that humans are all connected in ways not immediately clear, and that God works through people of faith to make things happen.

One member of the discussion summed up his beliefs using the crucifixion of Jesus Christ to make his point.

“God didn’t intervene there, he didn’t take him off the cross and save him … I think he does the same in our lives,” he said.

Another participant voiced his acceptance that some answers may not become clear in this lifetime: “I’ll let you know when I get to the other side,” he said.

The next "Water into Wine" discussion will be held on Jan. 16 at 6:30 p.m. at Wine Maestro in Statesville. Participants are asked to bring canned goods to donate to Iredell Christian Ministries. The topic will be "Faith and Justice."

Coming To Terms With Being Baptist

(This article was originally written as part of a submission to the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship “cbfblog.” The original article can be found HERE).  

As I scooted into a booth at the small Indian restaurant I had no idea my spiritual direction and understanding were about to shift. So much had changed in the last few months with my wife and I moving to Winston-Salem, N.C., buying a home and me preparing for my first year at Wake Forest School of Divinity. I should have suspected something as I watched the man I had come to meet, Don Durham, enter through the glass doors.

I had been told to connect with Don from one of my professors at Campbell University. I believe Dr. Brian Foreman thought we’d get along for a few reasons; the most obvious being our shared affinity for facial hair. The other I would soon discover, as we enjoyed our conversation over curry, was a mutual questioning of how ministry was “supposed to look.” Don shared his story with me and I with him. Somewhere in our conversation Don mentioned the name Will Campbell. I guess my blank expression was enough for him to sat his fork down and raise his eyebrows.

“You don’t know who Will Campbell is,” Don asked?

“No, never heard of him,” was my meek reply. Schleiermacher, Barth, Harnack. These names I knew. But Will Campbell I had never run across.

“I’m going to tell you the same thing that I was told by the man who introduced me to Will Campbell,” Don said. “Don’t you tell anybody that you’re a Baptist until you read him.”

Don gave me a list of books by Campbell that I jotted down in my moleskin. He began to tell me about a white man from Mississippi who had referred to himself as a “bootleg Baptist.” Campbell would fight segregation at the University of Ole Miss in the mid 1950s, be the only white person at the first Southern Christian Leader Conference led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and later minister to members of the Ku Klux Klan. As I heard Don describe this man I could hardly believe he was describing a Baptist.

I left Don’s company that day and immediately logged onto my Amazon Prime account and ordered his first Will Campbell recommendation, Brother to a Dragonfly.

The story is an autobiographical telling centering around Campbell’s upbringing and the relationship he shared with his older brother Joe. In the midst of unpacking boxes and painting our new home, I would rise early in the morning and read Campbell’s work. As someone who fancies themselves an avid reader, I found myself stretching this book out. I would read passages and bookmark pages as I tried to digest what I had just read. Slowly I began to feel a true connection with a denominational identity I was discovering I knew very little about.

I took my questions and curiosity into Dr. Bill Leonard’s History of Baptist course during my fall semester. On the second floor of Wingate Hall, Dr. Leonard has exposed me to the writings of Howard Thurman, Walter Rauschenbusch, Roger Williams, etc. The experience has been on par with trying to drink from a fire hose. So much history that gives me joy and a promise of hope.

I learned that Baptist heritage was built on dissenting and questioning those institutions that imposed corrupt legislation and ideologies on those less fortunate. I learned that the voices of Sara Wait and Anne Hutchinson would lay foundational stones for future generations of strong Baptist women. African-American men such as Thurman and Rufus Perry would help the black Baptist church in developing their own distinctiveness.

I learned that there are A LOT of different kinds of Baptists! Calvinistic Baptist, Arminian Baptist, American Baptist, Primitive Baptist Universalist, Cooperative Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestination Baptist, and on and on. I could keep going, but the point I’m coming to understand is that Baptist identity is found in the freedom the faith allows and is defined by. The assurance of freedom that someone like myself, who has always identified as a “black sheep”, can find a place at the Baptist table.

Since that conversation with Don, I’ve read a lot of Will Campbell, and like Campbell I’m discovering what kind of Baptist I am. So if you see me, and ask me to describe where I fall on the Baptist spectrum you might get this for an answer; I’m a Southerner who is a Cooperative Baptist. Who knows, I might even be a “bootleg Baptist” before it’s all said and done. Or maybe something else? “Black sheep Baptist” has a nice ring to it don’t you think?

‘Black sheep Baptist’ explores inspiration, path to newfound spiritual identity.

(This article was written for Baptist News Global by Jeff Brumley. I received a call from Jeff after the CBF Blog story posted. I got to talk with Jeff about being Baptist and he got to explain to me how he, being Eastern Orthodox, ended up working for a Baptist news source. Thanks again Jeff for the piece. The original article was published January 2017 and can be found HERE.)

Justin Cox is a first-year student at Wake Forest University School of Divinity, a Cooperative Baptist Leadership Scholar, and minister to students at First Baptist Church in Statesville, N.C.

Not bad for a guy who’s only been Baptist for just over a nanosecond.

“It was a slow progression and it was very hard for me to say I was a Baptist because I wasn’t comfortable with it,” Cox said.

But that began to change last summer when Cox was introduced to the writings of Baptist author, activist and minister Will Campbell.

He could hardly believe he was reading about a Baptist.

Cox, 36, said he was electrified by Campbell’s references to himself as a “bootleg Baptist” and by his stand for civil rights.

Others have since begun to inspire and shape his new Baptist identity. They include Roger Williams, John Smyth and others.

So, what’s it like to be a new Baptist, and to forge a new religious identity, in an age when so many are abandoning theirs? Cox addressed that and other questions for Baptist News Global.

You said you previously knew little of Baptist denominational identity. Why?

 

I did not grow up Baptist. I had some great aunts … who would carry me to church at times and would go to Baptist vacation Bible school. My family didn’t attend church. … When we returned to church, when I was in high school, it was at a Methodist church. My idea of Baptist was Southern Baptist. That’s all that I knew about Baptists.

How did you make your next approach to the faith?

I was just exploring around, doing a bit of soul searching. I just had this idea that Baptists are all about hell fire and brimstone, and that doesn’t fit my mold. I saw them either as very angry, or as Billy Graham Baptists — having a faith too perfect to attain.

But it wasn’t until I moved back to Greensboro, N.C., that I met my future wife and we were going to a Methodist church. Then I found Campbell [University]. Before then I didn’t know anything about moderate Baptists. I saw that the professors didn’t fit the typical mold. I saw that there is a lot of freedom in the Baptist world and that I fit into that.

What in Will Campbell’s writings gave you a feeling of true connection with Baptist identity?

At the core there is a distinct nature about Baptists where they question things. Baptists have an underdog mentality at times. …

Campbell lived out the conversations I had in my head all the time. That’s the appeal of being a Baptist to me. It’s never easy. It’s a faith that deals with people. I think that was a big clicking moment for me.

In an age when people are distancing themselves from denominational identity, you are seeking cultivate it. Why?

It’s weird. I remember talking to a Methodist minister when I was first starting at Campbell and I said I don’t get the idea of denominational ties. His answer was ‘when I go stand before people, there is a group of people that have my back.’ For me, as I have embraced this idea of being a Baptist, it’s a standing-on-the-shoulder-of-giants kind of thing. There are people who have put the work in and sacrificed, and Baptists are ready for new voices to come along and add to a new narrative.

How much do you know or care about the troubles the divisions that tore Baptists apart a few years back?

I know it’s part of the history. I think it would be different if I grew up in the Baptist faith. Some of my classmates are 25 years old and they grew up in the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. They don’t know anything else. I don’t get caught up in it.

So, what kind of Baptist are you?

CBF has been very eye opening to me. … It allows me flexibility. But when I hear the word moderate, I go back and forth with that. It can mean you won’t pick a side — that you are in the middle of the road. But what I have seen in the CBF is that moderates can take stances on something. I can feel conservative on somethings and liberal about something else. But being Baptist gives me the choice to change my mind tomorrow. I am going to coin the phrase “black sheep Baptist” for myself.